Who makes you skin crawl

[greybeard]

Arjen,

blues has been around for at least 120 years - I give rap 5 more, at the best.

You can throw in any specious argument you like, that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

But which part is the opinion? And what's all this about entitlements? Entitlements often seem to be the meritless claim of the weak. C'mon, Greybeard, gotta do better than that. A cogent argument is much better than "because I say so."

I really don't know how to respond and not be as insulting as your accusations.

[cnev]

Greybeard,

If you don't like rap music because you you don't like it that's fine if you say that rappers have no talent your wrong.

I never said my opinion is better than yours or anyone else's. But the way that you and everyone else summarily write off rappers as talentless that's the point of all this. Whether you like it or not is secondary.

You said "How dare I judge your opinions"...well to paraphrase Kramer.."Oh I dare". But seriously I am not denigrating your right to not like the music and if that's all then I apologize..but if you also feel that it isn't music, it's just a fad or that these people are talentless then yes you are prejudiced and closed minded.

And I have three daughters who are involved in music and my youngest daughter alone has a couple thousand records alone so I think I'm qualified about how much rap I've listened to.

Unfortunately the fact that you listened to a Balinese orchestra or whatever doesn't mean you are not prejudiced.

Well it's easy to find a way to rationalize about everything..now your going to tell me it was different in the 50's - 60's so somehow it was OK for the Beatles and Clapton to use drugs because they chnaged..that's really a bunch of crap..I was born in the 50's and I was around in the 60's and if anything there's probably more pressure on the youth of today than there was back then.

I really never thought much of the Beatles music anyway..they do almost as much fro me as rap does for you so what does that mean..absolutely nothing since it's just my opinion, but I'm not gonna sit here on some high horse and say it's all garbage and it won't last because those guys are talentless..that would be a lie.

The real reason older people in general don't like rap is because you have no clue what's going on in young people's worlds today. Don't you think it's kind of ironic that rap is making millions of dollars each year and it's increasing steadily...and this "crap" as you call it is being listened to by the youth of the world in huge numbers...maybe your out of touch with that.

I was never really one into nostalgia but last I remember the Beatles haven't palyed together in like a million years...it's time to stop comparing everything to them as if they were the benchmark of what is or is not good. Remember what Dylan said..The times they are a changing..so get used to it.

[gnease]

Et tu gnease?

Not at all. I don't think it's going away. And while not a rap listener, I have copped a few tricks from the genre -- for example, the single-line synth that seems fairly prominent in tunes such as Gin and Juice. And while I think many rap lyrics are personally repugnant -- even scary, as they represent prejudiced and misogynistic views I don't hold, I understand these are an expression of real social situations that are outside my personal experience -- and honestly hope remain that way. But I really didn't even have a clue about these other social situations until I heard about them in rap.

And then, I have to consider that some of music I consider really great contains references to murder, depravity and psychosis, and nobody in my social cohort or culture (except maybe my parents) seems to think anything of it. Finally, as I said way up in this thread, there are a few rap or hip hop tunes I do like -- not many, but some. If I put this into the context that I think most popular music is pretty boorish, mediocre and often outright insipid crap, well then "popular" rap isn't looking that much worse than that tooth decaying junk.

[cnev]

gnease,

I agree 100% with your views. And I do like Gin and Juice by Snoop, just has a nice laid back groove and he does have kind of a silky smooth rap.

Anyway my point and I can get very anal about things is just that not liking the music is everyone's right but saying they are talentless is totally wrong.

[Mike]

Let me interject for a second.

First off, I respect EVERYONE'S opinions weather I like them or not. That's the way the world should be.

As far as rap goes, I find in my every day life that the majority that listens to it look at me as sideways as their ball cap. YES!, I hate that look, but who am I to judge.

My MAIN problem with rap is there attitude on what happened 400 years ago. “Down with the devil” (Devil being white people and police) and the whole, “I gotta have a gun to be cool” type of BS! The image that most rap portrays is pot, I'll kill you first, smack my bitch, you're a hoe, and the whole BLING BLING thing.

Obviously the bling bling represents all the money they are raking in from all the stuff they rap about. Which I have a problem with because they are targeting the youth in there ways.

I live near the environment so please don't tell me I don't see it every day. And yes, there are the good the bad and the ugly to EVERY scene/genre. Rockers have there moment too and I acknowledge that. With me it is evident with rap. Puff daddy, p ditty what ever he wants to call himself shot off a gun in a night club, not exactly giving his “thing” a good name is it?

Gangs, drive by's and gang fights are all related to “their” way of life. No, that should not be held against rap, but it IS true.

[gnease]

Arjen,

blues has been around for at least 120 years - I give rap 5 more, at the best.

You can throw in any specious argument you like, that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

But which part is the opinion? And what's all this about entitlements? Entitlements often seem to be the meritless claim of the weak. C'mon, Greybeard, gotta do better than that. A cogent argument is much better than "because I say so."

I really don't know how to respond and not be as insulting as your accusations.

It's interesting that you took it as an insult, and cnev thought I was trying to push you forward in your argument. It's actually somewhere in between. I've seen better arguments and opinion statements from you, Greybeard. This one didn't seem characteristic of those, especially as you were taking a swipe at Arjen. Of course opinions are welcome, but the tone with which they are stated often lingers longer than the other's memories of the opinion. (This is NOT meant as an insult!)

[gnease]

Gangs, drive by's and gang fights are all related to “their” way of life. No, that should not be held against rap, but it IS true.

But you do realize not all rap is about this, right? As a genre, it is not monolithic.

[Ignar Hillström]

Tracker is referring to the popular Gangsta Rap, which is to me pretty much like the 'Satan will rule the world' metalbands.

[gnease]

Rob Zombie against the Gangstas?

[Mike]

Rob Zombie against the Gangstas?

Nah, the gangstas would pop a cap in his a--.

[Taso]

lol Cnev, just changed it to Kramer this morning. HUGE seinfeld fan, I have all the seasons except 4 (don't have the cash right now). Great thing is that you can relate it to almost any situation you might encounter.

Uhh..

Sorry, back to the rap talk.

[yoyo286]

Taso- GREAT AVATAR!!!


For me, I don't think any kind of music is "bad" ; however, I prefer not to listen to certain types of music (There ARE exceptions however)



First: New country... I absolutly HATE Toby Keith (Not trying to make this political, I just don't like his music), Gretechen Wilson, etc. etc. I like the old country though (You know, Hank Williams, Ernest Tubbs, George Jones, etc. etc... I was born listening to that stuff.. ) , Mainstream pop (3 stones down, Lincin Park, the American idol artists, Hillary Duff, etc. etc. ), and mainstream hip-hop (50cent, Emininem, missey elliot, etc. etc... However, some hip hop/soul/blues is alright with me; some outcast stuff,some Jurassic 5, random other stuff...




Basically anything is cool with me besides that...

[Taso]

I like that Toby Keith/Willie Nelson song, um. Beer for My Horses I believe it's called. I like the message, I like the tune.

Sweet, another comment on my avatar...The only reason I made it was actually because I wanted attention...

[TaylorR]

Check these guys out. Its real nice chill rap. I love it.

http://www.okayplayer.com/feature/littlebrother/main.htm

Or maybe I should say it isint rap. Its just music. If youre gonna generalize and say that "I hate rap" and you aint gonna listen to it, then youre really missing out on some great stuff. All generalizations are bad man.

Just check out the music.

[Taso]

I don't know if that's a great example. All I hear is the word "revolution" in a very high voice, and someone else going "Yea. yea somethingsomethingsomething yea"