Why no tone control for the bridge pickup

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Why no tone control for the bridge pickup

Post by jewtemplar » August 24th, 2007, 10:22 am

Anybody have any idea why fender strats don't have tone controls for the bridge pickup? I'm very happy with my new MIM HSS strat, but trying out my brother's new LP Studio I'm realizing there's a lot more tonal possibility in a humbucker than what my strat allows. Anybody know why there are two tone knobs for three pickups?
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Post by Steve-0 » August 24th, 2007, 10:24 am

I haven't got a clue but it REALLY bugs me and makes no sense, Les Pauls and 99% of guitars have either a master tone or a tone for EACH pickup except the strat. Maybe Fender figured that you could always turn down the volume to change the tone (but that's a bit different).
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Post by CitiZenNoir » August 24th, 2007, 11:10 am

Hi :D

Well, actually....
The mid tone knob/mid pup, top tone knob/neck pup, no tone/bridge configuration is the 'classic' configuration for Strats.
Any real vintage Strat has that set up.

New AMERICAN made Strats have Mid tone knob/bridge-mid, and top tone knob/neck.

My vintage Strat is all stock with the 3 pos pup switch and NO bridge tone and I have to say that it's the finest sounding
guitar I've ever heard.

I've never cared for mim Fenders, and this sounds like another good reason to stay clear of them.

I always say: If you wanna LOOK like you're playing a Fender, get a MIM.
If you wanna SOUND like you're playing a Fender.... It's gotta be MIA or Vintage. :wink:

Oh, and the classic Tele configuration is even 'worse'. :P
No tone on Bridge/Mid pos.
Tone on Top Neck pos.

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Post by jewtemplar » August 24th, 2007, 11:19 am

What is the advantage of not having a tone control on the bridge pickup? I know vintage strats are excellent guitars, but I don't see how the lack of certain features is a reason for that.
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Post by CitiZenNoir » August 24th, 2007, 11:39 am

Sorry.

I guess what I was trying to get at is that vintage Fenders sound SO GOOD that they don't need unlimited tonal
combinations.

And to be brutally honest, it cracks me up to see that people want so much versatility out of, not only their guitar,
but their amps as well, and then complain that the 'tone' just isn't there.

The old Fender guitars and old tube amps had - simple circuits.
And that's where the TONE is.

I can plug my vintage Strat into my cheap-o early 60's 5 watt Harmony point-to-point handwired all tube amp (that has NO
tone controls, just a volume/on-off switch) and OOOOZE KILLER TONE with ever move.

See, sometimes.... Less is better.

In the quest for tone; the simpler the better.
Just search out for a few QUALITY pieces and you got it.

I had an old 60's Gibbo SG that had seperate vol/tone for each pup.
To me, that was nice for changing between Rhyth/lead.
More for the seperate Volume controls than the tone though (as I don't use any pedals).
I hear a lot of talk about the mid pup pos on Gibbos and how you can blend them with the seperate controls....
That was my LEAST favorite position.

Simpler is better IMO.

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Post by Steve-0 » August 24th, 2007, 11:47 am

I don't need unlimited tonal control (although sometimes I think it would be neat to try to wire up complex guitar electronics as an experiment), but it just makes no logical sense to me to have only 2 tone controls. I don't really touch any of the tone controls on my guitar but I just don't understand it.
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Post by dogbite » August 24th, 2007, 12:03 pm

huh? with 80's strat plus the tone knob controls the middle and neck pickup. the switch is forward to neck.

no tone neck control new???

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Post by CitiZenNoir » August 24th, 2007, 12:15 pm

CitiZenNoir wrote:New AMERICAN made Strats have Mid tone knob/bridge-mid, and top tone knob/neck.
I stand corrected.

Yes, of course the top knob is the volume.
And the mid tone knob is for the Neck pup.
Leaving the bottom tone knob for the mid/bridge (on new MIA's) or just the mid pup on vintage set-ups.

In my mind (not very reliable), the volume knob was on the bottom. :lol:

Maybe I'll set a Strat up that way someday. :shock:

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Post by CitiZenNoir » August 24th, 2007, 12:23 pm

Steve-0 wrote:I don't need unlimited tonal control, it just makes no logical sense to me to have only 2 tone controls. I don't really touch any of the tone controls on my guitar but I just don't understand it.
Yeah, most people just leave the tone pots turned up to ten anyway.
And, especially on the bridge pup.

We had a discussion about that here not long ago.
How most people like the full up tone of the bridge pup pos.

I actually do use the tone controls (even if I don't quite know where they're located yet :wink: ),
And I find the classic set-up to be just fine.
And, unless I'm playing live (in a band), I usually only use the bridge pup for certain sounds...ie The James Gang etc.

It is nice to have tone on the bridge pup (my 88 Strat), to roll off some of the harshness at times though.

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Post by dogbite » August 24th, 2007, 1:06 pm

same here. I roll the treble on the bridge pup. it gives a nicer sound and a tab of the 'Gibsion' splank tone.
my tele has the treble always up.

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Post by The Dali » August 24th, 2007, 1:19 pm

CitiZenNoir wrote:Hi :D



I've never cared for mim Fenders, and this sounds like another good reason to stay clear of them.

I always say: If you wanna LOOK like you're playing a Fender, get a MIM.
If you wanna SOUND like you're playing a Fender.... It's gotta be MIA or Vintage. :wink:

Ken

Ken, I know it was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but please... we know you love the American Strats but you don't need to put down all other Strats in the process. I'm as big a gearhead as there is, but remember, baby, the tone is in your hands.
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Post by Ignar Hillström » August 24th, 2007, 2:00 pm

Hey, we all know that if you wanna sound like you're playing a Fender... It's gotta be G&L. :P
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Post by TRGuitar » August 24th, 2007, 5:57 pm

The Dali Lima wrote:
CitiZenNoir wrote:Hi :D



I've never cared for mim Fenders, and this sounds like another good reason to stay clear of them.

I always say: If you wanna LOOK like you're playing a Fender, get a MIM.
If you wanna SOUND like you're playing a Fender.... It's gotta be MIA or Vintage. :wink:

Ken

Ken, I know it was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but please... we know you love the American Strats but you don't need to put down all other Strats in the process. I'm as big a gearhead as there is, but remember, baby, the tone is in your hands.
I agree! If what I read online is correct, and it may or may not be, the MIM Strats all start out in Corona California USA and are sanded, painted and assembled in Ensenada. http://www.guitarstop.com/tour/indexT.htm

Are the USA models better? Why yes, they are the bodies and necks with the nicer wood and more attention is paid to detail in finishing. My point? The wood and parts of any made in USA Fender could have just as well been shipped to Mexico in their rough cut form. My point is I don't think it is that much of a night and day difference especially in tone. I'd lean more towards quality and craftsmanship being the difference. I have 2 USA made Les Pauls, but when it came to the Strat MIM was good enough. :P (Now that last remark was tounge in cheek)
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Post by The Dali » August 24th, 2007, 8:43 pm

Ignar Hillstrøm wrote:Hey, we all know that if you wanna sound like you're playing a Fender... It's gotta be G&L. :P


:lol:
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Post by CitiZenNoir » August 24th, 2007, 10:25 pm

TRGuitar wrote:
The Dali Lima wrote:
CitiZenNoir wrote:Hi :D



I've never cared for mim Fenders, and this sounds like another good reason to stay clear of them.

I always say: If you wanna LOOK like you're playing a Fender, get a MIM.
If you wanna SOUND like you're playing a Fender.... It's gotta be MIA or Vintage. :wink:

Ken

Ken, I know it was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but please... we know you love the American Strats but you don't need to put down all other Strats in the process. I'm as big a gearhead as there is, but remember, baby, the tone is in your hands.
I agree! If what I read online is correct, and it may or may not be, the MIM Strats all start out in Corona California USA and are sanded, painted and assembled in Ensenada. http://www.guitarstop.com/tour/indexT.htm

Are the USA models better? Why yes, they are the bodies and necks with the nicer wood and more attention is paid to detail in finishing. My point? The wood and parts of any made in USA Fender could have just as well been shipped to Mexico in their rough cut form. My point is I don't think it is that much of a night and day difference especially in tone. I'd lean more towards quality and craftsmanship being the difference. I have 2 USA made Les Pauls, but when it came to the Strat MIM was good enough. :P (Now that last remark was tounge in cheek)
Well, I don't wanna start an argument here.

For the sake of clarity though....

They were not saying that the 'nicer wood' gets kept for the MIA bodies.

MIA Fenders have solid wood bodies.
MIM Fenders have verniered bodies.

Also MIMs do not use the same pickups as MIA's.

There are a lot of differences.
I won't go into it here though.

And just so you all know, I don't really care WHERE the guitar is made.
I care WHAT it's made out of.
And as Ignar pointed out before; The 80's MIJ Fenders were superior.
The best Fender I ever heard (next to my 71) was an 80's MIJ Tele.

Dali - Point taken

Ignar - How are those G&L's????
I've yet to run across one.

And back to the original post -
They make master tone pots and (tone) blender pots for Fenders.
The mods are suppose to be relatively easy.

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