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Post by Kyle » January 23rd, 2005, 7:32 am

it stands for audacity project. Instead of encoding it to mp3, if other peoplee have the program, they can just be sent an aup. file and other people can just record over it in audacity. Also, you have probably noticed there is a slight delay when recording with audacity, so when recording ur solo, you will need to use the time shift tool to get it to link up with the rythm track, which is much easier to do in audacity.
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Post by gnease » January 23rd, 2005, 7:59 am

This brings up another set of points, including the need to standardize on acceptable audio formats (e.g., WAV, MP3. ... Vorbis Ogg :wink: ) and rates/bandwidths, as well as the session file format. For those unfamiliar, the latter is specific to the multitrack recorder/editor, and establishes which tracks are used, relative timing, panning, envelope and more. (Examples: Adobe Audition, nee Cool Edit Pro uses *.ses files, and I suspect *.aup might be the same for Audacity) In this case, it's the timing that is critical, as re-aligning an orphan solo track to a backing track is not always as simple as one might think. Audacity is available to everyone, so it may make sense to use that where possible. However, there may be a few who simply wish to record directly to PC using an app that is not really a multitracker. In those cases, one should do something simple such as placing the backing track on left and recording to right -- this will give the solo a frame of reference without a session file.

Those of you who have Apples (anyone?) and use Garageband are probably in the minority, may need to have someone convert your file formats.

I realize all this sounds a little anal retentive, when the general feeling is "let's just do it!" But is only takes about 30 minutes of planning and little agreement to make things go a lot smoother, esp at mixing. And the whole thing will sound better as well.

Summarizing, choose:

1. Main audio editing/multitrack program (will determine session file format and limit the choice of audio file formats)

2. Audio file format (compatible with choice in 1.) and sampling rate and bandwidth -- e.g., MP3 at 128 kb/s and 12 kHz bandwidth

3. Plan for non-standard users (analog, other than choice in 1.) Converting strategy that takes into consideration time alignment.

4. Other things that will help: Metronome track? (cyber-drums, maybe) Lead-in count? Clear arrangement of intro, main, bridge, outro.

5......

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Post by nroberts » January 23rd, 2005, 12:27 pm

gnease wrote: Summarizing, choose:

1. Main audio editing/multitrack program (will determine session file format and limit the choice of audio file formats)

2. Audio file format (compatible with choice in 1.) and sampling rate and bandwidth -- e.g., MP3 at 128 kb/s and 12 kHz bandwidth

3. Plan for non-standard users (analog, other than choice in 1.) Converting strategy that takes into consideration time alignment.

4. Other things that will help: Metronome track? (cyber-drums, maybe) Lead-in count? Clear arrangement of intro, main, bridge, outro.

5......
I have seen, but not been in, other jams on the internet that assign time segments. Your track starts at xx:xx:xx and ends at xx:xx:xx.

My multitracker actually makes setting start points pretty easy. If someone were to say, "My track starts at xx:xx:xx," I could set that up.

I would also agree with the need to use standard, or at least portable, formats. If we decide to use pro-tools or cool-edit formats for example that kicks me out of the whole thing. I can use Audacity, but that is yet something else I have to learn how to use :P

#2, any format for me is compatable with my recorder, but some formats are better for recording than others. MP3 degrades the music quite a bit, wav is better but requires enormous amounts of space and might be impossible to transfer in some cases.

I can make "cyber" drums...assuming you mean a drum track made w/ software...if not then I don't know.

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Post by m07zm4n » January 25th, 2005, 7:18 am

I'd like to contribute but I'm quite bad and besides, it seems like a metal-project and I'm more into funk.
Or at least it's what I'm into right now :)
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Post by nroberts » January 25th, 2005, 1:22 pm

m07zm4n wrote:I'd like to contribute but I'm quite bad and besides, it seems like a metal-project and I'm more into funk.
Or at least it's what I'm into right now :)
Post it, I'll contribute.

I think right now all there is is a lot of talk. Someone want's to start doin somthin I'm there. I like funk.

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Post by smokindog » January 25th, 2005, 6:37 pm

I don't know, but nroberts jam tracks are pretty funky, check them out!
I'm having a blast jaming to them :lol: :lol: -the dog

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Post by hueseph » January 25th, 2005, 7:54 pm

Geez a lot of hubbub over a jam project. Is it still on the go? If it is, i'm willing to give it a shot. Even if I am a hack.

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Post by m07zm4n » January 26th, 2005, 12:47 am

I downloaded norberts makeagobass track and I enjoy it very much.
I think I'll contribute something after a few more days of practicing :D
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Post by nroberts » January 26th, 2005, 10:38 am

smokindog wrote:I don't know, but nroberts jam tracks are pretty funky, check them out!
I'm having a blast jaming to them :lol: :lol: -the dog
Why thanks everyone. I'll try making some more. I have a few other ideas floating about.

I can't make em all though, would be nice to jam to some other guitar noise poster tracks...

Might be nice to hear some of the results of working with mine also...

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Post by nroberts » January 26th, 2005, 10:47 am

nroberts wrote:
smokindog wrote:I don't know, but nroberts jam tracks are pretty funky, check them out!
I'm having a blast jaming to them :lol: :lol: -the dog
Why thanks everyone. I'll try making some more. I have a few other ideas floating about.

I can't make em all though, would be nice to jam to some other guitar noise poster tracks...

Might be nice to hear some of the results of working with mine also...
I also tried to talk to the admins about creating a "sunday" jam track club but got no response. Maybe they would be more convinced if it became evidant it would survive longer than the Sunday Composer's Group?

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Post by smokindog » January 26th, 2005, 12:13 pm

Hey nroberts, I'm working on one of yours now, hope to post it in a few days. This will be my first project using audacity. I'm a 424 diehard, this is new to me and my pc went is in the shop so I'm using my wifes laptop. :lol: -the dog

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Post by cnev » January 26th, 2005, 1:59 pm

I'd give it a go if you posted the backing track somewhere. I have Audacity so you could post one of those. I guess I could figure out how to convert an Mp3 but I never have before.

If nothing else it will be good for me to practice along to.

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Post by nroberts » January 26th, 2005, 3:32 pm

cnev wrote:I'd give it a go if you posted the backing track somewhere. I have Audacity so you could post one of those. I guess I could figure out how to convert an Mp3 but I never have before.

If nothing else it will be good for me to practice along to.

Chris
If you wanted to use one of mine you can just ask for it. The problem is that direct wav captures are simply huge. I don't have anywhere I could leave them...short of maybe yahoo briefcase and give away my password...which I don't mind doing if it will work. I didn't do the recording or mixing in Audacity though, so separate wavs or a stereo wav is best I could do. Unless you want to install Linux and Ardour :wink:

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Post by guitar_monkey » January 27th, 2005, 4:21 pm

ok ill make the backing track by this saturday.
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Post by guitar_monkey » January 27th, 2005, 4:23 pm

the format will be wav
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